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Jun 06
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McCain or Obama? Both will be bad for the economyPosted by PostalPatriot in Untagged |
The Presidential race is now down to two, Senator John McCain and Senator Barack Obama with the only suspense left being the VP candidate choices. For conservatives it's wait until 2012 as for many of us both men are unacceptable. I see a continuing struggle for the economy as neither one offers anything to help move the economy along in a positive direction.
Worried about the high price of gas? Keep worrying as both plan on fixing the prices through forced conservation and alternative energies which won't be practical for many years. Both plan on keeping the ethanol push which has had no effect in lowering prices. Both endorse carbon taxes which will be added as carbon and gas taxes. Neither one will increase domestic production or refining. Finally they both oppose the obscene profits made by big oil. Okay, they will take more of the oil profits which is great for the government but does nothing for the price at the pump because they won't give it back to "The People". The government must never do with less. So get used to high energy prices because the next President no matter who it is will do nothing about it except invest billions more in inefficient technologies while doing nothing for the present and near future.
Senator Obama has already said he will raise taxes on the rich. He also said he will raise the Social Security tax which will be a tax increase on every working American rich and poor. Both endorse carbon taxes which when applied to business will be passed on to the consumer IE: every American. The Democrats will gain in both houses so they will push through tax increases on every taxpayer one way or another. They will say it's on the rich and once again lower the standard for someone to qualify as rich, it won't be long before $50,000 a year qualifies as rich.
Senator Obama loves taxes and Senator McCain will compromise to get along.
The result will be the rich will take their money and invest it in developing countries or hide what they have left in off shore accounts like George Soros and Warren Buffet do. There will be no point in investing in U.S. companies when the after tax return will be so low. Investment will decrease meaning companies will not expand or increase payrolls or hire new employees. Foreign investment will go oversees as the dollar will continue to weaken. Americans will also be spending less in the economy as energy prices increase even more. Fewer travelling vacations, less dining out, less spent on holiday and birthday gifts, holding on to appliances and vehicles for another couple of years until they have to be replaced. Everyone else can rely on Senator Obama's hope and change and the government to solve their problems, I will prepare for and deal with the reality of less money and freedom in the near future.
I currently have a fair amount of debt but it is manageable and is being paid off at a nice rate. Under current conditions we will be in great shape in five years or less but under the potential tax increases coming up under the new administration we could be in trouble. We have a solid retirement plan in place but what would have been enough under current conditions may not be enough in the future and there will be less money to save. I think this is probably the situation for many people who will be in for a rude awakening in the near future. I will prepare by putting every spare penny into paying my debt. No extras and what we have will have to do for several years. I have already told people we will not be spending for the holidays this years. Have cancelled anything not necessary. Might as well start practicing for the future.
OH yeah and I will also have my bible out, stock up on ammunition and stay home to avoid those not like me.
Worried about the high price of gas? Keep worrying as both plan on fixing the prices through forced conservation and alternative energies which won't be practical for many years. Both plan on keeping the ethanol push which has had no effect in lowering prices. Both endorse carbon taxes which will be added as carbon and gas taxes. Neither one will increase domestic production or refining. Finally they both oppose the obscene profits made by big oil. Okay, they will take more of the oil profits which is great for the government but does nothing for the price at the pump because they won't give it back to "The People". The government must never do with less. So get used to high energy prices because the next President no matter who it is will do nothing about it except invest billions more in inefficient technologies while doing nothing for the present and near future.
Senator Obama has already said he will raise taxes on the rich. He also said he will raise the Social Security tax which will be a tax increase on every working American rich and poor. Both endorse carbon taxes which when applied to business will be passed on to the consumer IE: every American. The Democrats will gain in both houses so they will push through tax increases on every taxpayer one way or another. They will say it's on the rich and once again lower the standard for someone to qualify as rich, it won't be long before $50,000 a year qualifies as rich.
Senator Obama loves taxes and Senator McCain will compromise to get along.
The result will be the rich will take their money and invest it in developing countries or hide what they have left in off shore accounts like George Soros and Warren Buffet do. There will be no point in investing in U.S. companies when the after tax return will be so low. Investment will decrease meaning companies will not expand or increase payrolls or hire new employees. Foreign investment will go oversees as the dollar will continue to weaken. Americans will also be spending less in the economy as energy prices increase even more. Fewer travelling vacations, less dining out, less spent on holiday and birthday gifts, holding on to appliances and vehicles for another couple of years until they have to be replaced. Everyone else can rely on Senator Obama's hope and change and the government to solve their problems, I will prepare for and deal with the reality of less money and freedom in the near future.
I currently have a fair amount of debt but it is manageable and is being paid off at a nice rate. Under current conditions we will be in great shape in five years or less but under the potential tax increases coming up under the new administration we could be in trouble. We have a solid retirement plan in place but what would have been enough under current conditions may not be enough in the future and there will be less money to save. I think this is probably the situation for many people who will be in for a rude awakening in the near future. I will prepare by putting every spare penny into paying my debt. No extras and what we have will have to do for several years. I have already told people we will not be spending for the holidays this years. Have cancelled anything not necessary. Might as well start practicing for the future.
OH yeah and I will also have my bible out, stock up on ammunition and stay home to avoid those not like me.
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written by Glennsopinions, June 07, 2008
Well, it just depends on which party you want to get the blame for the crash. Obama = Jimmy Carter 2, only worse, if that is even possible.
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written by CenterLeftLiberal, June 12, 2008
"Keep worrying as both plan on fixing the prices through forced conservation and alternative energies which won't be practical for many years" - had we stayed the course in the 1980s and kept giving out the subsidies Carter started giving to alternative energies, gas prices wouldn't be so high. There would less demand for oil, keeping prices down. It was the Reaganite policy of not guiding the country towards alternative energy sources that has caused the energy cost crunch of today. Energy companies are not hurting and have little interest (other than P&R campaigns) in alternative energy until the very last momenement - as China & India developed & global aggregate demand rises, oil prices will continue to be high & in the long run increase. We can prepare ourselves by weaning ourselves of the black gold, which only works through intervention - again the energy companies that dominate the market will wait until the last moment since that maximizes the profit (at the cost of the average American consumer who does not own enough Exxon shares to make up for the increased price of gas).
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written by Glennsopinions, June 19, 2008
"It was the Reaganite policy of not guiding the country towards alternative energy sources that has caused the energy cost crunch of today"
Huh, then those countries such as France,Germany, the UK and others who were not encumbered with Reagan should have come up with an alternative to oil, right? Oh yeah, they have built Nukes, something that Reagan could not get through a Democrat congress. Truth is, there will be an alternative, but it isn't ready yet. And anyone who has a pension, public or private, most any kind of mutual fund owns Exxon-Mobile stock.
Huh, then those countries such as France,Germany, the UK and others who were not encumbered with Reagan should have come up with an alternative to oil, right? Oh yeah, they have built Nukes, something that Reagan could not get through a Democrat congress. Truth is, there will be an alternative, but it isn't ready yet. And anyone who has a pension, public or private, most any kind of mutual fund owns Exxon-Mobile stock.
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written by publicNmE, July 08, 2008
Have you seen the new technology by Ausra (based in Palo Alto) with their solar solution that is able to produce energy at 10 cents per KiloWatt? That is twice the price of coal, but it's likely to get better as they improve their technology. They just rolled out their process, and when it gets to market, they'll be able to improve it -- like all technology.
Wind is already at seven cents per kilowatt (coal is five cents, by the way). You must have heard in today's news that T. Boone Pickens will be funding a large windfarm at the Texas panhandle.
I suggest you read The Economist June 19th 2008 issue. A lot of this technology is competitive now. Coal is still cheaper, don't get me wrong -- but coal is the only cheap thing now. Gas is getting more expensive -- and the only way to get out of this mess is to innovate. By the way, from what I read, gas prices will come down by the end of the year... gas is artificially high due to speculation. But according to Kiplinger's, they expect gas to drop down to $3.50 per gallon (national average).
Irregardless, now is the time to reinvest in alternative energy. If we want to roll out of this recession still on top of the world, we better make revolutionary changes. In this case here, we will make revolutionary changes. It's happening.
Wind is already at seven cents per kilowatt (coal is five cents, by the way). You must have heard in today's news that T. Boone Pickens will be funding a large windfarm at the Texas panhandle.
I suggest you read The Economist June 19th 2008 issue. A lot of this technology is competitive now. Coal is still cheaper, don't get me wrong -- but coal is the only cheap thing now. Gas is getting more expensive -- and the only way to get out of this mess is to innovate. By the way, from what I read, gas prices will come down by the end of the year... gas is artificially high due to speculation. But according to Kiplinger's, they expect gas to drop down to $3.50 per gallon (national average).
Irregardless, now is the time to reinvest in alternative energy. If we want to roll out of this recession still on top of the world, we better make revolutionary changes. In this case here, we will make revolutionary changes. It's happening.
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