Why I know that conservatives are wrong

Because I used to be one. Yes, me, center-left liberal (or as a conservative member of this forum once called me "Mr. Liberal"), used to be a conservative. My first conservative view to go was that on immigration, then my views of fiscal policy and finally I adopted a centrist stance on trade. But why? Because I grew, I read and learned. I came to understand more and more of how society functions. In other words, my study of political science and economics made me adopt modern liberalism as my world view. I did not become a liberal because I wanted to be; because most people in my background are; because it is "hip to care." No, I became a liberal not by choice. I became a liberal after conducting countless hours of research, reading and writing, and all the critical thinking that these activities entail. It took years for my transformation to complete (no one wakes up one day with a different world view). The transformation was not always easy (though it was made easier by my family and friends being liberal or centrist). We all cling to our world views and defend them whenever we feel they are being threatened. I had the same tendency. Yet, I felt an urge to know "the truth." While I believe that Immanuel Kant was right when he stated that we can never know "das Ding an sich" (the thing itself), we can strive to as objective, or to use an analogy based on Kant, wear the clearest possible lenses through which we then see the world. My studies, i.e. the evidence I was presented with and the conclusion I had to base on this evidence, made me a modern liberal. I am usually not fond of revealing this fact about myself, because I think it might confuse people as to where I stand on the political spectrum. After two months (?) on this network, having exposed more than 6,000 people to my liberals, however, I feel that there is little to question as to where I now stand. Furthermore, the staunchest defender of a certain world view are often conversts (e.g. Micheal Savage used to be a liberal).

Your, New Republic reading, academically inclined, center-left liberal Democrat.

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written by Bacchus, April 28, 2008
Pretty interesting. You say that your research made you change your worldview, was there anything specifically?

Also, Michael Savage is a complete fraud. He grew up as a Jewish Liberal who used to hang out with gay poets, and ended up being a poison spewing conservative Christian White man. I frankly think most of his garbage is intentionally inflammatory and he is making millions out of it.
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written by BalaamsAss, April 29, 2008
From my point of view: there doesn't seem to be much difference between a republican or democrat; a liberal or conservative. They are all words that we unwittingly put our own meanings/feelings/hopes/desires in to. Words are hollow unless there is something to back them up i.e. a foundation, a meaning that we can all agree on. And since the foundation (or fabric) of the U.S. was founded on a moral code of ethics, that code has been reduced to 'words' with no basis. "Whatever feels good" is now the 'code' hence -- conservative or liberal mean only what one instills into the words -- not very factual as 'everyone's meanings are just for themself".
We are reduced to ideology (and ideology changes)
Oh woe is us...

The 'other' Balaam's Ass
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written by CenterLeftLiberal, April 29, 2008
"Pretty interesting. You say that your research made you change your worldview, was there anything specifically?"

Well, it is very hard for me to point a specific part of my research, since it was a gradual process. My worldview changed as learned more and more on how the political-economy functions. Much of my conservsativsm seems naive in hindsight, and its demise a natural part of my intellectual growth. If I had to arbitrarily point out a specific area of study that stands out as an eye opener among several, I would say studying U.S. economic history (especially the Kensyian conensus - the theories and policies they inspired) was definitely one.

BalaamsAss,
True, the laberls liberal and conservative are used ambigously, but they are not meaningless. Especially wihtin the field of political science, they are actually quite well defined. Of course, we are all ideosyncratic to some extent or another; turth is that we are all complex by virtue of being human. Yet, it is possible to classify certain assumptions and perspectives, e.g. modern liberal, neoliberal, conservative, libertarian or what have you...
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written by lrandall, May 16, 2008
I think political labels definitely have meaning, because we attach identity to these 'words'. And these terms are very well defined in the realm of political science and political economy, where they denote not just an ideology, but a set of actions and behaviors as well.

And ex-liberal or otherwise, I detest Michael Savage, and I do think he is a complete sell-out who capitalizes on the perception that he's a deviant against the mainstream, which secretly, is exactly where he wants to be.

But maybe we should embrace him with compassionate and open arms - I think he must have been made fun of a lot as a kid.
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